Rob posted by Rob 11 Sep 2016  

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chat, im the trollcatcher

TrollCatcher2010Aug 17, 2016+1
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oppositional revolutionary philosophy reproduces what is opposed


Gaidex VillerAug 17, 2016+1
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I am lost?

TrollCatcher2010Aug 18, 2016




by what i said? or the meme?

Jay HansenAug 18, 2016+3
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+Gaidex Viller Not half as lost as the author of that quote.

Gaidex VillerAug 18, 2016+2
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+TrollCatcher2010 the meme.

Pyotr MalatestaAug 18, 2016+3
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In the original quote by Rothbard, all the instances of "anti-capitalism" found in this meme, are replaced by "anarchism".

TrollCatcher2010Sep 9, 2016




what does an anti capitalist want? an end to capitalism? meaning? an end to money? or an end to profit? or what...?

Gaidex VillerSep 9, 2016+2
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+TrollCatcher2010 end to a system of hierarchy that act out side of the common man ideas and ultimately end to a state or all states forever more. 

Jay HansenSep 9, 2016+2
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+TrollCatcher2010 An end to a system which steals the surplus value created by working people. I would like to be rid of money as well; for the most part it is gratuitous, but that is not canonical anarchism.

TrollCatcher20100:01:17 PM




two good answers well expressed, mr.Viller's seems to be an anarchist anti capitalist position as he goes for heirarchy and power first, mr. Hansen seems to be expressing a marxist anti capitalist position, straight for the money, surplus labour etc - nothing incompatible about them they could be read run together as one paragraph without contradiction - i myself am not an anti-capitalist or anarchist or marxist but have respect for the old fashioned revolutionaries... i only have a dispute with the tippity top of the financial system and certain systemic details which i think are not necassary features of capitalism - money creation, who has that right and how is it done, the way loans are accounted, when the debt in the world is more than the amount of money in the world to me that is a logical contradiction that says nothing more than we have some mathematical errors in the way whoever is accounting for this is accounting for it - they need to be fired and replaced with people who can add two plus two and get four, very simple, i also have issue with government enforced requirements for insurance - so, the banks participation in lend and loan speculation and insurance really needs to be considered like al capone and his main rackets - loan shark, gambling and protection rackets, the same thing... none of these is anything to do with a 19th century view of a factory owning beourgoise oppressing an industrial working class proletariat by not paying him quite enough which i think is a deliberately weak pretend revolutionary philosophy produced by a banking system funded shill to turn the genuine revolutionary energies of the 19th century away from the real villains, the bankers and speculators and towards the employers and industrial organisers - set the bosses against the workers and while they're distracted carl marx's banker pals run off with ALL your money going "thanks for the distraction all you fools who believed our revolutionary distraction publication" hahahaha as far as power goes there is no problem with heirarchy, it's very useful, preexists capitalism, and is a seperate human force apart from money love that may be the only way we can escape rule by money - god save the queen
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TrollCatcher20100:01:21 PM




does that make me a conservative? i'm really worried i'm turning into a conservative in my old age

TrollCatcher20100:01:28 PM




when i say there is no problem with heirarchy i mean, i personally have no problem with heirarchy in and of itself conceptually and if you go work somewhere precapitalist you will simply see that heirarchy definately preexists capitalism BUT... of course i do have plenty of specific problems with the particular heirarchies that are running things now, what they are actually doing AND systemic details of how this heirarchy is formed arranged and maintained but NOT a general issue with heirachy altogether - that general issue is the main weakness of organising with anarchists which i do a lot of and i find far more fun than organising with marxists, generally
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TrollCatcher20100:01:36 PM




i do realise my views on marxism are fairly similar to hitler's which is embarrassing but fear not; i am NOT a fan or in favour of annihilating the jews - i work with anarchists and marxists all the time even though i disagree with them and could work for the transition with anyone EXCEPT a fascist or a satanist, that is to say, i can work with anyone with similar or compatible goals whether they are marxist conservative libertarian anarchist liberal labour tory ukip christian muslim hindu jewish atheist buddhist feminist black power even though i am non of the above and have disputes with all of them, i could work with them for world peace and justice, if they wanna work with me that is, fascists and satanists are the only people i dont wanna work with
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TrollCatcher20100:01:45 PM




attempting to lay out my position as clearly as possible, sorry if i'm spamming your comments section

TrollCatcher20100:01:51 PM




+Pyotr Malatesta "Capitalism is the fullest expression of Anarchism, and anarchism is the fullest expression of capitalism... ...true anarchism will be capitalism and true capitalism will be anarchism" - thankyou, that at least makes internal sense to me though i think almost every anarchist i know would disagree i personally find that quite convincing, END ANARCHY NOW, it's about time humans deliberately ordered their affairs instead of allowing them to be ordered by market forces - a clear problem in human organisation, all those bloody anarchists running the government - END ANARCHY NOW - or you'll end up with an anarchy so dark the anarchists will be praying for a government and the reinstatement of the smashed state
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TrollCatcher20100:02:13 PM




oh dear, now i sound like a marxist

TrollCatcher20100:02:14 PM




mr.Malatesta's posts are politically confusing, they should come with a mental health warning, "warning, this channel may make you think, caution advised"